2001 2.5 CRD Grand Voyager Water Pump ?? Water into Oil !
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2001 2.5 CRD Grand Voyager Water Pump ?? Water into Oil !
Hi,
I have a 2001 2.5CRD Grand Voyager. Yesterday the engine stalled at 70mph and failed to restart on the hard shoulder. After recovery home and inspection with various attempts to restart, a clunking noise has sounded and all of the water has gone into the oil sump with no leak under the car whatsoever.
When trying to restart, it did only for a second or so turn over but stopped again with a grinding noise. now i just get a starter/relay clicking noise.
Does it sound like the water pump has broken up inside and locked the engine and also letting the water into the oil filling the sump ??
Difficult job... cambelt off etc etc.????
Any advice (other than a new engine !) gratefully received.
Cheers
Dave
Maidstone UK
I have a 2001 2.5CRD Grand Voyager. Yesterday the engine stalled at 70mph and failed to restart on the hard shoulder. After recovery home and inspection with various attempts to restart, a clunking noise has sounded and all of the water has gone into the oil sump with no leak under the car whatsoever.
When trying to restart, it did only for a second or so turn over but stopped again with a grinding noise. now i just get a starter/relay clicking noise.
Does it sound like the water pump has broken up inside and locked the engine and also letting the water into the oil filling the sump ??
Difficult job... cambelt off etc etc.????
Any advice (other than a new engine !) gratefully received.
Cheers
Dave
Maidstone UK
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The water pump is diffficult to access.......behind the engine and driven by the Cam belt. Need to remove the wiper module to get (limited) access. Also you might as well replace the cambelt while you're at it. Water pump is £170 and belt kit is £140. Tensioner is about £80 (parts only)
If you suspect it has broken up and seized I wouldn't crank the engine. That could strip the belt teeth and cause all sorts of damage.
However I'm not sure that was your initial problem. Can't think how the water pump failing would cause your coolant to end up in the sump. I'd look at possible head gasket failure or maybe an oil cooler problem. Or if you've been really unlucky, you could have suffered a more major mechanical failure in the engine that has caused a water gallery to be pierced.
Some of the Voyager techs on here might have some better ideas than me.
BTW What's the mileage on it?
If you suspect it has broken up and seized I wouldn't crank the engine. That could strip the belt teeth and cause all sorts of damage.
However I'm not sure that was your initial problem. Can't think how the water pump failing would cause your coolant to end up in the sump. I'd look at possible head gasket failure or maybe an oil cooler problem. Or if you've been really unlucky, you could have suffered a more major mechanical failure in the engine that has caused a water gallery to be pierced.
Some of the Voyager techs on here might have some better ideas than me.
BTW What's the mileage on it?
Last edited by booke23; 09-21-2010 at 09:32 AM.
#3
The water pump is diffficult to access.......behind the engine and driven by the Cam belt. Need to remove the wiper module to get (limited) access. Also you might as well replace the cambelt while you're at it. Water pump is £170 and belt kit is £140. Tensioner is about £80 (parts only)
If you suspect it has broken up and seized I wouldn't crank the engine. That could strip the belt teeth and cause all sorts of damage.
However I'm not sure that was your initial problem. Can't think how the water pump failing would cause your coolant to end up in the sump. I'd look at possible head gasket failure or maybe an oil cooler problem. Or if you've been really unlucky, you could have suffered a more major mechanical failure in the engine that has caused a water gallery to be pierced.
Some of the Voyager techs on here might have some better ideas than me.
BTW What's the mileage on it?
If you suspect it has broken up and seized I wouldn't crank the engine. That could strip the belt teeth and cause all sorts of damage.
However I'm not sure that was your initial problem. Can't think how the water pump failing would cause your coolant to end up in the sump. I'd look at possible head gasket failure or maybe an oil cooler problem. Or if you've been really unlucky, you could have suffered a more major mechanical failure in the engine that has caused a water gallery to be pierced.
Some of the Voyager techs on here might have some better ideas than me.
BTW What's the mileage on it?
Regards
Dave
#7
Oil cooler has been bypassed by disconnecting both pipes on it and adding seperate pipe to complete the circuit. When added to the expansion tank, the water still pours straight out of oil sump. I take its gonna be a head off job and hope its just the head gasket now. Guess water pump would not affect it at all - just would be an external leak. Otherwise new engine ??? £1500+ been quoted (not fitted) !!!!
#9
£1500 for a second hand only. Most breakers quoting £1250 plus vat and delivery and still fit myself. Still looking for a tool to remove the istubborn njectors though to investigate further for rockers/head gasket failure. Heard LDV (channel commercials) in kent supply one for £200+ vat otherwise local garage said they could pull them out with a hydraulic press/puller
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£1500 for a second hand only. Most breakers quoting £1250 plus vat and delivery and still fit myself. Still looking for a tool to remove the istubborn njectors though to investigate further for rockers/head gasket failure. Heard LDV (channel commercials) in kent supply one for £200+ vat otherwise local garage said they could pull them out with a hydraulic press/puller
Can confirm as I had been told on here that 8 rockers were damaged.
I'd be willing to rent the tool out, message me if your interested.