Timing Belt 04 3.5
Hey Guys,
So, I know timing belts can be pretty common on these 3.5s as I had a couple first generations in Intrepids. But I've never seen them SHRED the eff up and make a rats nest in the timing cover. I spun all the gears and pulleys in there and none are seized up, not even the water pump, like is common. There is no coolant leaking from the pump. Now, the most back story I know...I just bought the car in January with 191K, but the guy was a retired mechanic and bought it at auction with a bad motor and put a junk yard motor in. The motor had writing under the "hat" that said motor installed at 141K and new plugs timing belt and water pump at 171K. It is now like 196K so only 25K on the timing belt. My intent for the car is for my wife to drive while I fix the transmission in her Jeep, then we sell the Pacifica, so I don't plan on having it but another month, so what all should I do? Should I just replace the belt and call it good? What would cause it to shred like this with only 25K and no seized pulleys? Thank You in ADvance https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.chr...0dd9945254.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.chr...99652ce639.jpg |
Unless that thing was idling when the belt went, you have bent valves.
The 3.5 is an interference motor. |
It was infact idling...I feared that as well and spun the cams a few revolutions with a ratchet, and nothing seemed to bind up.
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For the cost of a new timing belt kit, I would go ahead and buy/install it and see if she fires up. Perhaps there was a "mistake" involved in regard to the timing belt having been changed....
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I would bet the tensioner idler pulley was cocked/misaligned. Looks like the belt walked and shredded over a long time until it was so narrow it finally let go. There are also 2 generations of pulley bracket/hydraulic tensioner. If mismatched belt tension would be wrong.
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Originally Posted by FIREM
(Post 109958)
I would bet the tensioner idler pulley was cocked/misaligned. Looks like the belt walked and shredded over a long time until it was so narrow it finally let go. There are also 2 generations of pulley bracket/hydraulic tensioner. If mismatched belt tension would be wrong.
With all that said, how can I tell which the motor needs, mfg date on door won't work as the motor is different, and how can I identfiy which tensioner is installed?? |
Originally Posted by djetelina
(Post 109950)
For the cost of a new timing belt kit, I would go ahead and buy/install it and see if she fires up. Perhaps there was a "mistake" involved in regard to the timing belt having been changed....
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Change occurred after 02 Early on left, 03 and up on right.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.chr...75ac90ca2d.jpg The contact area for the hydraulic tensioner is different. Early Left one uses a shorter one than the late one on the right As long as both tensioner and pulley bracket are from same year they should match. |
Originally Posted by FIREM
(Post 109971)
Change occurred after 02 Early on left, 03 and up on right.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.chr...75ac90ca2d.jpg The contact area for the hydraulic tensioner is different. Early Left one uses a shorter one than the late one on the left. As long as both tensioner and pulley bracket are from same year they should match. |
So, I figured out what the issue was for this odd belt wear...as I had to replace it again. It didn't break this time, but the water pump started leaking, and since I foolishly didn't change it out when I had everything apart, I got to do it all again!! But this time I noticed that I was able to rock the water pump pulley and that was probably jittering the belt back farther and farther and was grinding it into the back of casing. So a little lesson for everyone else who are trying to save a buck. I figured since the pump was theoretically pretty new I didn't have to worry, if the age was unknown I would have changed it. NEVER again...always always always a new pump!!!!!!!!!!
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