2001 2.5 CRD Grand Voyager Water Pump ?? Water into Oil !
Hi,
I have a 2001 2.5CRD Grand Voyager. Yesterday the engine stalled at 70mph and failed to restart on the hard shoulder. After recovery home and inspection with various attempts to restart, a clunking noise has sounded and all of the water has gone into the oil sump with no leak under the car whatsoever. When trying to restart, it did only for a second or so turn over but stopped again with a grinding noise. now i just get a starter/relay clicking noise. Does it sound like the water pump has broken up inside and locked the engine and also letting the water into the oil filling the sump ?? Difficult job... cambelt off etc etc.???? Any advice (other than a new engine !) gratefully received. Cheers Dave Maidstone UK:mad: |
The water pump is diffficult to access.......behind the engine and driven by the Cam belt. Need to remove the wiper module to get (limited) access. Also you might as well replace the cambelt while you're at it. Water pump is £170 and belt kit is £140. Tensioner is about £80 (parts only)
If you suspect it has broken up and seized I wouldn't crank the engine. That could strip the belt teeth and cause all sorts of damage. However I'm not sure that was your initial problem. Can't think how the water pump failing would cause your coolant to end up in the sump. I'd look at possible head gasket failure or maybe an oil cooler problem. Or if you've been really unlucky, you could have suffered a more major mechanical failure in the engine that has caused a water gallery to be pierced. Some of the Voyager techs on here might have some better ideas than me. BTW What's the mileage on it? |
Originally Posted by booke23
(Post 41007)
The water pump is diffficult to access.......behind the engine and driven by the Cam belt. Need to remove the wiper module to get (limited) access. Also you might as well replace the cambelt while you're at it. Water pump is £170 and belt kit is £140. Tensioner is about £80 (parts only)
If you suspect it has broken up and seized I wouldn't crank the engine. That could strip the belt teeth and cause all sorts of damage. However I'm not sure that was your initial problem. Can't think how the water pump failing would cause your coolant to end up in the sump. I'd look at possible head gasket failure or maybe an oil cooler problem. Or if you've been really unlucky, you could have suffered a more major mechanical failure in the engine that has caused a water gallery to be pierced. Some of the Voyager techs on here might have some better ideas than me. BTW What's the mileage on it? Regards Dave |
I also understand from other threads, the vavles DON'T get bent with a belt failure ??
Can anyone else confirm this. cheers |
That's true. Cam belt failure will only break the rockers.
Unfortunatly the injectors have to come out to get the one peice rocker cover/manifold off. They are known to be difficult to remove. Keep us posted! |
Does anyone have a removal tool for the 2.5 CRD stubborn diesel injectors for sale or rent ??
I am based in Maistone Cheers Dave |
Originally Posted by booke23
(Post 41117)
That's true. Cam belt failure will only break the rockers.
Unfortunatly the injectors have to come out to get the one peice rocker cover/manifold off. They are known to be difficult to remove. Keep us posted! |
Nightmare!
Fingers crossed it is the gasket. Is £1500 for a recon engine, or brand new? |
£1500 for a second hand only. Most breakers quoting £1250 plus vat and delivery and still fit myself. Still looking for a tool to remove the istubborn njectors though to investigate further for rockers/head gasket failure. Heard LDV (channel commercials) in kent supply one for £200+ vat otherwise local garage said they could pull them out with a hydraulic press/puller
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Originally Posted by dmbeale
(Post 41765)
£1500 for a second hand only. Most breakers quoting £1250 plus vat and delivery and still fit myself. Still looking for a tool to remove the istubborn njectors though to investigate further for rockers/head gasket failure. Heard LDV (channel commercials) in kent supply one for £200+ vat otherwise local garage said they could pull them out with a hydraulic press/puller
Can confirm as I had been told on here that 8 rockers were damaged. I'd be willing to rent the tool out, message me if your interested. |
Originally Posted by Scotsman4th
(Post 41889)
I have the puller as my own belt snapped and it was the only way I could get them out.
Can confirm as I had been told on here that 8 rockers were damaged. I'd be willing to rent the tool out, message me if your interested. |
Luckily (although it wasnt so lucky)when the belt went the head didnt need to come off. Unfortunately that means I cant confirm or deny.
Good luck! |
The chrysler service manual seems to indicate that the head can be removed from the CRD without removing the engine from the car.
It does say the exhaust manifold and turbo need to be removed, and it is tight behind there, but you might be able to take an engine mount off and move the engine about to get access. The service manual isn't great, so the engine might need to come out.....you won't know 'till you try it. |
Scotsman tool hire
DM Beale you and I are close by - if you still need to hire the tool perhaps we can split the cost? If thats ok with you Scotsman? I'm in Sevenoaks.
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Originally Posted by booke23
(Post 41748)
Nightmare!
Fingers crossed it is the gasket. Is £1500 for a recon engine, or brand new? |
Bad luck.....That sounds shocking. You don't hear of that happening too often on VM engines.
Suppose the conrod must have broke and mangled the piston/liner etc. |
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