urgent help voyager03 crd
 

please please help. i have a 2003 voyager 2.5 crd. it has 180 00 miles. problems begain with battery drain and starting problem. exchanged starter but problem came back after 3 days. first it only started when it was worm, no go the next day. i pushed started 3 time before it died on me while driving. replaced fuel pump inside the tank because the presure was low. replaced the crank sensor replaced sensor valve next to fuel pump on engine. it finely started with the help of brake cleaner or the other stuff you spray in the air filter. took it for a drive and it died and refused to start even with the spray. bought new fuel injectors and glow pugs. IT WONT START!!!!!!!!! it will however start with the brake cleaner, but thats not good for the engine, i know. yes i changed the fuel filter. the computer says no faults. hovever today for the first time the computer showed me P1130. i already spent 1500 and im exausted. please help

The fuel pump is outside the tank not in it. Is this pump running? sounds like you covered most. All that comes to mind is the fuel return off the rail. Remove the small return pipe off the rail and crank or start it, there should be no fuel coming out the rail as it's a high pressure relieve.

im no mechanic but the fuel pump my mechanic replaced, which i bought personaly from chrysler dealer is called something like in tank electrik push pump, or something. the other fuel pomp located by the engine was not replaced. i dont quite understand your help. as i have no more money i will be doing further work my self. so if you can explain in detail about the rail and what im douing and what im looking frto i would really appreciate it. thanks for answering in the first place. what if i ther is fuel comming out? what if there is no fuel comming out? am i supposed to takr the pipe off and try to start it? thank

Hi
Ok the metal pipe coming off the pump on the engine goes to the high pressure rail. This rail feeds the 4 injectors. On the end of this rail is a small rubber hose. Pull off this hose and block the hose (not the rail) with something to stop the fuel. Then crank it or start it if it will and look for fuel coming out of the rail, there should be none. If there is then the rail is faulty and not holding pressure.
As for the pump by the tank, look next to the tank you should see it next to it. It's a round pump about 4 inches wide and the fuel filter screws on the bottom of it. Ignition on and you should here it run.

once again thank for replying. suppose i do all you say and there is no fuel comming out, and rail is ok. where do i go then? did i mention that the car shakes extermely hard when i try to start it? before all this it just shooklightly but now the wehicle shakes as if it were possesed. im just gripping at straws here. thanks

could i have a problem with my imobilizer/alarm? ive been advised that i have an electrical problem. if its something electrical any sugestions? any theorys? any known faults?

if the rail is faulty would that prevent it from starting only but once its runingit would run?the mechanic said , at the begining of his dignosis, that its the crank sensor because when he unpluged the electical wire to the fuel injectors and placed a plastic sesor that ther is no electric signal goin to the fuel injector telling it to opperate. what is your input or theory on that dignosis. he said that ther is no electrical signal commendin the injector to work. please help any thory would be appreciated.

Hi
OK alarm fault you would have the red SKIM light on in the cluster.
Yes if you have no fuel coming out the rail maybe ok, obviously if there is no fuel getting up it can't leak back. It's just a good quick easy test to do.
Now as to your mechanic he just doesn't understand the vehicle he is working on. Until the fuel pressure in the rail gets up the injector don't inject so you wouldn't get any signal at the injectors.

thanks for all your help thus far. ill try it tomorrow and see how it goes.. if it dont work ill be pleading for your assistance tommorrow. onc again thanks for all your help. if you can think of anything alse im all ears. drowning men will grab a razor to sawe himself. i dont suppose you know any chrisler specialist around sleaford?

any thorys where to aim if the rail is ok?

Hi
Where is sleaford? lol. Any news can you hear the fuel pump run? and have you check the rail?

i can hear the pump run. i have not cheked the rail yet. i took the car to a authorized dealer they say the computer cant find any faults they asked for 4 more hours to investigate the matter at a whopping 100 nots an hour. i will be pulling it out of there and find a cheaper mechanis. i will try the rail tommorrow and hopefully this will solve the problem. it has been sugested that the cam sensor is at fault any comments/?

Hi
Cam sensors are more common (or the wiring to it) that I hear from other dealers but I have not fitted one in 6 years so not common in my eyes.

Charles,

Have you had your engine management system reset?

also have you done a leakback test on your injectors...
1 this will tell you if you are getting fuel to the injectors &
2 will tell which -if any- injectors are playing up.

Your simptons are very similiar to my project... all I have to do now is get the injector out that I know is faulty!!
Bob

Hi Bob
He has already had 4 injectors that that test should be fine.

Just a reset the management system then?

myth has it that they reset thenselves after 15mins or 20 miles:rolleyes:. All I know is that after 3 hours and 100 miles I went to get mine reset!

all the best,
Bob

You may look through this thread : https://www.chryslerforum.com/forum/...ighlight=p1130 and see if you recognise something.

But probably you will need help of a specialist who knows about diagnosing problems with the Voyager common rail system. In my experience authorized dealers sometimes lack the necessary knowledge for that. Go to someone like Merlin, or find a company that specializes in common rail systems.

enginemanagement system reset, sounds expensive. just replaced the cam senser, another 75 nots down the drain that aint it. its been sugested that the cam belt has slipt and the timing is off . and its also been sugested, which i suspected from the start thet the catalic cenverter is so jamed up that it wount let it start, any sugestions?

No to both when the belt timing is out the rockers will snap unless it's only very slightly. You can start it on easy start so that rules out a blocked exhaust.