Electrical Problems
#1
10-16-2011, 11:42 AM
Electrical Problems
I have a 2007 Aspen w/ Hemi 5.7 having electrical problems that started after trying to start truck with poor corroded battery terminals. Just heard relay chatter but truck would not start. After cleaning terminals truck start right up but have the following problems:
1. Driver side front windo now goes up to top and then immediately goes back down halfway and stops or the automatic up does not work.
2. Wipers are operating irratically. Either will not turn at until you play with them and/or will run at irratic speeds in all settings when on.
Anyone have an idea of what is wrong? I am suspecting one or more of the following problems: Bad relay, Bad computer mod, and/or corrupted software.
1. Driver side front windo now goes up to top and then immediately goes back down halfway and stops or the automatic up does not work.
2. Wipers are operating irratically. Either will not turn at until you play with them and/or will run at irratic speeds in all settings when on.
Anyone have an idea of what is wrong? I am suspecting one or more of the following problems: Bad relay, Bad computer mod, and/or corrupted software.
#2
10-16-2011, 01:21 PM
You need to reset the auto up feature on the windows. Pull the window switch up and close the window completely, then pull and hold the switch for one second.
The wiper problem sounds like a bad switch -- I'll let one of the techs chime in on that one.
The wiper problem sounds like a bad switch -- I'll let one of the techs chime in on that one.
#3
10-18-2011, 09:26 AM
An electrically operated intermittent front wiper and washer system is standard factory-installed safety equipment on this vehicle. The wiper problem described above could be the result of any of the following major components having a problem:
Hard wired circuitry connects the front wiper and washer system components to the electrical system of the vehicle. These hard wired circuits are integral to several wire harnesses, which are routed throughout the vehicle and retained by many different methods. These circuits may be connected to each other, to the vehicle electrical system and to the front wiper and washer system components through the use of a combination of soldered splices, splice block connectors, and many different types of wire harness terminal connectors and insulators.
The front wiper and washer system is designed to provide the vehicle operator with a convenient, safe, and reliable means of maintaining visibility through the windshield glass. The various components of this system are designed to convert electrical energy produced by the vehicle electrical system into the mechanical action of the wiper blades to wipe the outside surface of the glass, as well as into the hydraulic action of the washer system to apply washer fluid stored in an on-board reservoir to the area of the glass to be wiped. When combined, these components provide the means to effectively maintain clear visibility for the vehicle operator by removing excess accumulations of rain, snow, bugs, mud, or other minor debris from the outside windshield glass surface that might be encountered while driving the vehicle under numerous types of inclement operating conditions.
The vehicle operator initiates all front wiper and washer system functions with the control **** (1) on the end of the control stalk (2) of the multi-function switch that extends from the left side of the steering column, just below the steering wheel. Rotating the control **** on the end of the control stalk, selects the OFF, DELAY, LOW, or HIGH wiper system operating modes. In the DELAY mode, the control **** also allows the vehicle operator to select from one of five intermittent wipe delay intervals. Depressing the control **** towards the steering column actuates the momentary washer system switch, which selects the WASH or WIPE-AFTER-WASH modes depending upon when and how long the switch is held closed.
The multi-function switch provides hard wired resistor multiplexed inputs to the ElectroMechanical Instrument Cluster (EMIC) (also known as the Cab Compartment Node/CCN) for all of the wiper and washer system functions. The EMIC then sends electronic messages to the Front Control Module (FCM) over the Controller Area Network (CAN) data bus requesting the appropriate front wiper and washer system operating modes.
Front wiper and washer system operation are completely controlled by the EMIC and FCM logic circuits, and that logic will only allow these systems to operate when the ignition switch is in the ACCESSORY or ON positions. Battery current is directed from a B(+) fuse in the Integrated Power Module (IPM) to the wiper on/off and high/low relays in the PDC through a fused B(+) circuit. The FCM uses low side drivers to control wiper system operation by energizing or de-energizing the wiper high/low and wiper on/off relays. The FCM uses an H-bridge circuit to control the operation of the washer pump/motor unit. The multi-function switch circuitry receives a clean ground output from the EMIC on a multi-function switch return circuit, then provides resistor multiplexed inputs to the EMIC on an intermittent wipe mux circuit to indicate the selected wiper system mode and on a wash/beam select mux circuit to indicate the selected washer system mode.
The hard wired circuits and components of the front wiper and washer system may be diagnosed using conventional diagnostic tools and procedures. Refer to the appropriate wiring information. However, conventional diagnostic methods will not prove conclusive in the diagnosis of the front wiper and washer system or the electronic controls or communication between other modules and devices that provide some features of the front wiper and washer system. The most reliable, efficient, and accurate means to diagnose the front wiper and washer system or the electronic controls and communication related to front wiper and washer system operation requires the use of a diagnostic scan tool. Refer to the appropriate diagnostic information.
OPERATING MODES
Following are paragraphs that briefly describe the operation of each of the front wiper and washer system operating modes:
CONTINUOUS WIPE MODE
When the LOW position of the control **** on the control stalk of the multi-function switch is selected the EMIC sends an electronic wiper switch low status message to the FCM, then the FCM energizes the wiper on/off relay. This directs battery current through the normally open contacts of the energized wiper on/off relay and the normally closed contacts of the de-energized wiper high/low relay to the low speed brush of the wiper motor, causing the wipers to cycle at low speed.
When the HIGH position of the control **** is selected the EMIC sends an electronic wiper switch high status message to the FCM, then the FCM energizes both the wiper on/off relay and the wiper high/low relay. This directs battery current through the normally open contacts of the energized wiper on/off relay and the normally open contacts of the energized wiper high/low relay to the high speed brush of the wiper motor, causing the wipers to cycle at high speed.
When the OFF position of the multi-function switch control **** is selected, the EMIC sends an electronic wiper switch off status message to the FCM. If the wiper motor was operating at high speed, the FCM immediately de-energizes the wiper high/low relay causing the wiper motor to return to low speed operation. Then one of two events will occur. The event that occurs depends upon the position of the wiper blades on the windshield at the moment that the control **** OFF position is selected.
If the wiper blades are in the down position on the windshield when the OFF position is selected, the park switch that is integral to the wiper motor is closed to ground and provides a hard wired park switch sense input to the FCM. The FCM then de-energizes the wiper on/off relay and the wiper motor ceases to operate. If the wiper blades are not in the down position on the windshield at the moment the OFF position is selected, the park switch is an open circuit and the FCM keeps the wiper on/off relay energized, which causes the wiper motor to continue running at low speed until the wiper blades are in the down position on the windshield and the park switch input to the FCM is again closed to ground.
INTERMITTENT WIPE MODE
When the control **** on the control stalk of the multi-function switch is moved to one of the DELAY interval positions the EMIC sends an electronic wiper switch delay status message to the FCM, then the FCM electronic intermittent wipe logic circuit responds by calculating the correct length of time between wiper sweeps based upon the selected delay interval input.
The FCM monitors the changing state of the wiper motor park switch through a hard wired park switch sense input. This input allows the FCM to determine the proper intervals at which to energize and de-energize the wiper on/off relay to operate the wiper motor intermittently for one low speed cycle at a time.
The FCM logic is also programmed to provide vehicle speed sensitivity to the selected intermittent wipe delay intervals. In order to provide this feature the FCM monitors electronic vehicle speed messages from the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) and doubles the selected delay interval whenever the vehicle speed is about 16 kilometers-per-hour (10 miles-per-hour) or less.
WASH MODE
When the control **** on the control stalk of the multi-function switch is depressed to the momentary WASH position for more than about one-half second, the EMIC sends an electronic washer switch status message to the FCM, then the FCM directs battery current and ground to the washer pump/motor unit. This will cause the washer pump/motor unit to be energized for as long as the WASH switch is held closed up to about 10 seconds, and to de-energize when the front WASH switch is released.
When the control **** is depressed to the momentary WASH position while the wiper system is operating in one of the DELAY interval positions, the washer pump/motor operation is the same. However, the FCM also energizes the wiper on/off relay to override the selected delay interval and operate the wiper motor in a continuous low speed mode for as long as the control **** is held depressed, then de-energizes the relay and reverts to the selected delay interval several wipe cycles after the control **** is released. If the control **** is held depressed for more than about 10 seconds, the FCM will suspend washer pump/motor operation until the **** is released for about 2 seconds, then cycled back to the WASH position.
WIPE-AFTER-WASH MODE
When the control **** on the control stalk of the multi-function switch is depressed to the momentary WASH position for more than about one-half second while the wiper system is not operating, the EMIC sends an electronic washer switch status message to the FCM, then the FCM directs battery current and ground to the washer pump/motor and energizes the wiper on/off relay. This will cause the washer pump/motor to operate in the front wash direction and operate the wiper motor in a continuous low speed mode for as long as the WASH switch is held closed (up to about 10 seconds). When the control **** is released, the FCM de-energizes the washer pump/motor, but allows the wiper motor to operate for several additional wipe cycles before it de-energizes the wiper on/off relay and parks the wiper blades near the base of the windshield.
If the control **** is held depressed for more than about 10 seconds, the FCM will suspend washer pump/motor operation until the **** is released for about 2 seconds, then cycled back to the WASH position; however, the wipers will continue to operate for as long as the WASH switch is held closed. The FCM monitors the changing state of the wiper motor park switch through a hard wired wiper park switch sense circuit input. This input allows the FCM to count the number of wipe cycles that occur after the WASH switch is released, and to determine the proper interval at which to de-energize the wiper on/off relay to complete the WIPE-AFTER-WASH mode cycle.
If the front wiper motor operates, but the wipers do not move on the windshield, replace the ineffective front wiper motor or module. If the washer pump/motor operates, but no washer fluid is dispensed on the glass; or, if the wipers operate, but chatter, lift, or do not clear the glass, clean and inspect the front wiper and washer system components as required.
However, conventional diagnostic methods will not prove conclusive in the diagnosis of the front wiper and washer system or the electronic controls or communication between other modules and devices that provide some features of the front wiper and washer system. The most reliable, efficient, and accurate means to diagnose the front wiper and washer system or the electronic controls and communication related to front wiper and washer system operation requires the use of a diagnostic scan tool.
- ElectroMechanical Instrument Cluster - The ElectroMechanical Instrument Cluster (EMIC) is also known as the Cab Compartment Node (CCN) in this vehicle. The EMIC/CCN is located in the instrument panel above the steering column opening, directly in front of the driver.
- Front Control Module - The Front Control Module (FCM) is integral to the Integrated Power Module (IPM). The FCM/IPM is located in the engine compartment, near the battery and the Power Distribution Center (PDC).
- Front Wiper Module (3) - The wiper pivot shafts are the only visible components of the front wiper module. The remainder of the module is concealed within the engine compartment beneath the cowl plenum cover/grille panel. The wiper module includes a cast aluminum wiper module bracket, four rubber-isolated wiper module mounts, the wiper motor, the wiper motor crank arm, the two wiper drive links, the two powered wiper pivots, and a static pivot point that is located outboard of the right pivot for the articulating link of the right wiper arm.
- Multi-Function Switch (4) - The multi-function switch is located on the top of the steering column, just below the steering wheel. A control stalk that extends from the left side of the switch has a control **** on the end that is dedicated to providing all of the driver controls for the front wiper and washer systems.
- Wiper High/Low Relay - The wiper high/low relay is an International Standards Organization (ISO) micro relay located in the Power Distribution Center (PDC) in the engine compartment near the battery.
- Wiper On/Off Relay - The wiper on/off relay is an International Standards Organization (ISO) micro relay located in the Power Distribution Center (PDC) in the engine compartment near the battery.
Hard wired circuitry connects the front wiper and washer system components to the electrical system of the vehicle. These hard wired circuits are integral to several wire harnesses, which are routed throughout the vehicle and retained by many different methods. These circuits may be connected to each other, to the vehicle electrical system and to the front wiper and washer system components through the use of a combination of soldered splices, splice block connectors, and many different types of wire harness terminal connectors and insulators.
The front wiper and washer system is designed to provide the vehicle operator with a convenient, safe, and reliable means of maintaining visibility through the windshield glass. The various components of this system are designed to convert electrical energy produced by the vehicle electrical system into the mechanical action of the wiper blades to wipe the outside surface of the glass, as well as into the hydraulic action of the washer system to apply washer fluid stored in an on-board reservoir to the area of the glass to be wiped. When combined, these components provide the means to effectively maintain clear visibility for the vehicle operator by removing excess accumulations of rain, snow, bugs, mud, or other minor debris from the outside windshield glass surface that might be encountered while driving the vehicle under numerous types of inclement operating conditions.
The vehicle operator initiates all front wiper and washer system functions with the control **** (1) on the end of the control stalk (2) of the multi-function switch that extends from the left side of the steering column, just below the steering wheel. Rotating the control **** on the end of the control stalk, selects the OFF, DELAY, LOW, or HIGH wiper system operating modes. In the DELAY mode, the control **** also allows the vehicle operator to select from one of five intermittent wipe delay intervals. Depressing the control **** towards the steering column actuates the momentary washer system switch, which selects the WASH or WIPE-AFTER-WASH modes depending upon when and how long the switch is held closed.
The multi-function switch provides hard wired resistor multiplexed inputs to the ElectroMechanical Instrument Cluster (EMIC) (also known as the Cab Compartment Node/CCN) for all of the wiper and washer system functions. The EMIC then sends electronic messages to the Front Control Module (FCM) over the Controller Area Network (CAN) data bus requesting the appropriate front wiper and washer system operating modes.
Front wiper and washer system operation are completely controlled by the EMIC and FCM logic circuits, and that logic will only allow these systems to operate when the ignition switch is in the ACCESSORY or ON positions. Battery current is directed from a B(+) fuse in the Integrated Power Module (IPM) to the wiper on/off and high/low relays in the PDC through a fused B(+) circuit. The FCM uses low side drivers to control wiper system operation by energizing or de-energizing the wiper high/low and wiper on/off relays. The FCM uses an H-bridge circuit to control the operation of the washer pump/motor unit. The multi-function switch circuitry receives a clean ground output from the EMIC on a multi-function switch return circuit, then provides resistor multiplexed inputs to the EMIC on an intermittent wipe mux circuit to indicate the selected wiper system mode and on a wash/beam select mux circuit to indicate the selected washer system mode.
The hard wired circuits and components of the front wiper and washer system may be diagnosed using conventional diagnostic tools and procedures. Refer to the appropriate wiring information. However, conventional diagnostic methods will not prove conclusive in the diagnosis of the front wiper and washer system or the electronic controls or communication between other modules and devices that provide some features of the front wiper and washer system. The most reliable, efficient, and accurate means to diagnose the front wiper and washer system or the electronic controls and communication related to front wiper and washer system operation requires the use of a diagnostic scan tool. Refer to the appropriate diagnostic information.
OPERATING MODES
Following are paragraphs that briefly describe the operation of each of the front wiper and washer system operating modes:
CONTINUOUS WIPE MODE
When the LOW position of the control **** on the control stalk of the multi-function switch is selected the EMIC sends an electronic wiper switch low status message to the FCM, then the FCM energizes the wiper on/off relay. This directs battery current through the normally open contacts of the energized wiper on/off relay and the normally closed contacts of the de-energized wiper high/low relay to the low speed brush of the wiper motor, causing the wipers to cycle at low speed.
When the HIGH position of the control **** is selected the EMIC sends an electronic wiper switch high status message to the FCM, then the FCM energizes both the wiper on/off relay and the wiper high/low relay. This directs battery current through the normally open contacts of the energized wiper on/off relay and the normally open contacts of the energized wiper high/low relay to the high speed brush of the wiper motor, causing the wipers to cycle at high speed.
When the OFF position of the multi-function switch control **** is selected, the EMIC sends an electronic wiper switch off status message to the FCM. If the wiper motor was operating at high speed, the FCM immediately de-energizes the wiper high/low relay causing the wiper motor to return to low speed operation. Then one of two events will occur. The event that occurs depends upon the position of the wiper blades on the windshield at the moment that the control **** OFF position is selected.
If the wiper blades are in the down position on the windshield when the OFF position is selected, the park switch that is integral to the wiper motor is closed to ground and provides a hard wired park switch sense input to the FCM. The FCM then de-energizes the wiper on/off relay and the wiper motor ceases to operate. If the wiper blades are not in the down position on the windshield at the moment the OFF position is selected, the park switch is an open circuit and the FCM keeps the wiper on/off relay energized, which causes the wiper motor to continue running at low speed until the wiper blades are in the down position on the windshield and the park switch input to the FCM is again closed to ground.
INTERMITTENT WIPE MODE
When the control **** on the control stalk of the multi-function switch is moved to one of the DELAY interval positions the EMIC sends an electronic wiper switch delay status message to the FCM, then the FCM electronic intermittent wipe logic circuit responds by calculating the correct length of time between wiper sweeps based upon the selected delay interval input.
The FCM monitors the changing state of the wiper motor park switch through a hard wired park switch sense input. This input allows the FCM to determine the proper intervals at which to energize and de-energize the wiper on/off relay to operate the wiper motor intermittently for one low speed cycle at a time.
The FCM logic is also programmed to provide vehicle speed sensitivity to the selected intermittent wipe delay intervals. In order to provide this feature the FCM monitors electronic vehicle speed messages from the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) and doubles the selected delay interval whenever the vehicle speed is about 16 kilometers-per-hour (10 miles-per-hour) or less.
WASH MODE
When the control **** on the control stalk of the multi-function switch is depressed to the momentary WASH position for more than about one-half second, the EMIC sends an electronic washer switch status message to the FCM, then the FCM directs battery current and ground to the washer pump/motor unit. This will cause the washer pump/motor unit to be energized for as long as the WASH switch is held closed up to about 10 seconds, and to de-energize when the front WASH switch is released.
When the control **** is depressed to the momentary WASH position while the wiper system is operating in one of the DELAY interval positions, the washer pump/motor operation is the same. However, the FCM also energizes the wiper on/off relay to override the selected delay interval and operate the wiper motor in a continuous low speed mode for as long as the control **** is held depressed, then de-energizes the relay and reverts to the selected delay interval several wipe cycles after the control **** is released. If the control **** is held depressed for more than about 10 seconds, the FCM will suspend washer pump/motor operation until the **** is released for about 2 seconds, then cycled back to the WASH position.
WIPE-AFTER-WASH MODE
When the control **** on the control stalk of the multi-function switch is depressed to the momentary WASH position for more than about one-half second while the wiper system is not operating, the EMIC sends an electronic washer switch status message to the FCM, then the FCM directs battery current and ground to the washer pump/motor and energizes the wiper on/off relay. This will cause the washer pump/motor to operate in the front wash direction and operate the wiper motor in a continuous low speed mode for as long as the WASH switch is held closed (up to about 10 seconds). When the control **** is released, the FCM de-energizes the washer pump/motor, but allows the wiper motor to operate for several additional wipe cycles before it de-energizes the wiper on/off relay and parks the wiper blades near the base of the windshield.
If the control **** is held depressed for more than about 10 seconds, the FCM will suspend washer pump/motor operation until the **** is released for about 2 seconds, then cycled back to the WASH position; however, the wipers will continue to operate for as long as the WASH switch is held closed. The FCM monitors the changing state of the wiper motor park switch through a hard wired wiper park switch sense circuit input. This input allows the FCM to count the number of wipe cycles that occur after the WASH switch is released, and to determine the proper interval at which to de-energize the wiper on/off relay to complete the WIPE-AFTER-WASH mode cycle.
If the front wiper motor operates, but the wipers do not move on the windshield, replace the ineffective front wiper motor or module. If the washer pump/motor operates, but no washer fluid is dispensed on the glass; or, if the wipers operate, but chatter, lift, or do not clear the glass, clean and inspect the front wiper and washer system components as required.
However, conventional diagnostic methods will not prove conclusive in the diagnosis of the front wiper and washer system or the electronic controls or communication between other modules and devices that provide some features of the front wiper and washer system. The most reliable, efficient, and accurate means to diagnose the front wiper and washer system or the electronic controls and communication related to front wiper and washer system operation requires the use of a diagnostic scan tool.
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