07 TC Air conditioner not cooling
#31
Well it sounds like you found your leak. You could wipe it all off and then see if you can find a pi hole or crack.. it it most likely where you see it unless it is the rear coil and leaking down. This is where the die comes in handy, but if you can visibly see it, changing the part should take care of it. I don't thin k you can cap this off. does not work that way. You might blow out the compressor. Not sure how much the 134a is but you could get another can or 2 and fill it, then go back there while A/C is on and see if you can see anything leaking/spraying out. Did the manual come yet? This will show you what components are back there and how to access them. Did something fly up off the tire and hit that area? I have not looked there yet so I don't know how exposed it is. Maybe when funds get better you can fix it. It might just be one of those lines.
If any of you have a source for a diagram for this area I would sure appreciate it. Also, if this is a known trouble area it would help if I could find a bulletin or something before I tear into it and make it worse.
Thanks for everyone's help.
Deke
07 TC Touring 51k miles
#32
Deke, I would not add any heat. How about a penetrating oil? These line are Aluminum I believe and there are seals in that mount (which might be your problem if those lines were hit. Check out these charts from my 05. Has you manual come yet. It will really help you fix this. You can zoom on these a little to view them better.
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#33
Deke, I would not add any heat. How about a penetrating oil? These line are Aluminum I believe and there are seals in that mount (which might be your problem if those lines were hit. Check out these charts from my 05. Has you manual come yet. It will really help you fix this. You can zoom on these a little to view them better.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
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The photos give a good look at it, but mine is slightly different. Not that it matters. I can't tell if the leak is coming from the sealing plate in the wheel well or farther up in the evaporator coil. I'm starting to think I may have to remove the complete unit from inside the car, something I was hoping I wouldn't have to do.
Hopefully once I get my manual I'll know more about what I'm faced with.
Why me? :-) Anybody else had to remove one of these things?
Deke
#34
I'm going to guess sealing area. Its hard to believe a evap coil would go that soon, but I guess anything is possible. Did you read the text in those files on how to take the bolts etc. out? I would imagine it would be similar.
#35
My concern right now is what will happen to the freon that is in the system and in the evap coil. I have no way of reclaiming it so I'm not sure what to do here. The pressure is down to nothing so I don't think that anything will happen when I remove the plate other than some freon might leak out, but I intend to plug things wherever I can to minimize loss. Once the plate is off, if it has been leaking at the seal I should be able to see what is happening and go from that point. Would there be a seal kit available for it at a dealer or parts store? Obviously, if the seal is leaking, rather than cleaning it up and reinstalling, it should be replaced, I would think.
Any advice on this?
Thanks again for your help,
Deke
07 TC Touring 51k miles
#36
I would imagine that if the system is empty.. not much will come out. Maybe some oil residual but maybe not even that. You should plug the system if you open it up but the problem here is the system should be vacuumed out before filling up again. Moisture can now get in when opened up. A shop would have the proper system to evacuate the system before fill. You can try filling again yourself but this mught present more problems later.
Yes get new seals, the dealer should have them, they should not be too much $$$ wise. But until you can determine what is leaking, you might not want to "break" the seals. This is why I recommended putting another can or 2 in and seeing if you can see or hear a hiss in that area.
I am by no means an expert but I have studied these systems in school and have changed a few components over the years. I have always had the pros evac and fill them for me since I don't have a vacuum machine or 134 equipment. Once we went from R12 to 134, I let the pros do most of the work.
another thing. if you can get the panels off inside the van for the rear coil, you can see f there is anything leaking in there. If all dry, then that leave the seal at the coil or the line(s) themselves. You are not under a 3/36 warranty?
Fixit
Yes get new seals, the dealer should have them, they should not be too much $$$ wise. But until you can determine what is leaking, you might not want to "break" the seals. This is why I recommended putting another can or 2 in and seeing if you can see or hear a hiss in that area.
I am by no means an expert but I have studied these systems in school and have changed a few components over the years. I have always had the pros evac and fill them for me since I don't have a vacuum machine or 134 equipment. Once we went from R12 to 134, I let the pros do most of the work.
another thing. if you can get the panels off inside the van for the rear coil, you can see f there is anything leaking in there. If all dry, then that leave the seal at the coil or the line(s) themselves. You are not under a 3/36 warranty?
Fixit
Last edited by mrfixit454; 03-21-2010 at 02:16 PM.
#37
I would imagine that if the system is empty.. not much will come out. Maybe some oil residual but maybe not even that. You should plug the system if you open it up but the problem here is the system should be vacuumed out before filling up again. Moisture can now get in when opened up. A shop would have the proper system to evacuate the system before fill. You can try filling again yourself but this mught present more problems later.
Yes get new seals, the dealer should have them, they should not be too much $$$ wise. But until you can determine what is leaking, you might not want to "break" the seals. This is why I recommended putting another can or 2 in and seeing if you can see or hear a hiss in that area.
I am by no means an expert but I have studied these systems in school and have changed a few components over the years. I have always had the pros evac and fill them for me since I don't have a vacuum machine or 134 equipment. Once we went from R12 to 134, I let the pros do most of the work.
another thing. if you can get the panels off inside the van for the rear coil, you can see f there is anything leaking in there. If all dry, then that leave the seal at the coil or the line(s) themselves. You are not under a 3/36 warranty?
Fixit
Yes get new seals, the dealer should have them, they should not be too much $$$ wise. But until you can determine what is leaking, you might not want to "break" the seals. This is why I recommended putting another can or 2 in and seeing if you can see or hear a hiss in that area.
I am by no means an expert but I have studied these systems in school and have changed a few components over the years. I have always had the pros evac and fill them for me since I don't have a vacuum machine or 134 equipment. Once we went from R12 to 134, I let the pros do most of the work.
another thing. if you can get the panels off inside the van for the rear coil, you can see f there is anything leaking in there. If all dry, then that leave the seal at the coil or the line(s) themselves. You are not under a 3/36 warranty?
Fixit
I'll first pick up a couple more cans of $134 to see what happens, but my gut tells me that the problem won't be that easy to fix. However, I might get lucky and simply have to replace the seal. Before I do one more thing though I need that manual. The seller says it was shipped on the 15th so it should be here tomorrow and hopefully it'll give a good diagram that I can look at so that I know exactly what I'm getting into.
Hopefully I can fix this thing myself. Part of it is the challenge of doing it myself, but part of it is also that I'm nearly broke, at least for awhile anyway.
Thanks MrFixit. I really appreciate your advice.
Deke
07 TC Touring 51k
#38
Well, folks, my problem is solved. At least I think so. To update this thread and maybe give some others a good heads up if they should develop a leak in the rear AC evaporator here is what I just found out.
Before tearing into the rear AC unit I decided to go to the local dealer to see if they had a diagram of the whole unit with parts nomenclature so I would know what to expect. The parts guy has been there for 37 years and as soon as he heard me say I had a leak in the rear AC he said to me "there's a recall on that unit" ! About ten minutes later the parts were on order and he said he would call me next week when they get here. He claimed it's about a $700 job, but Chrysler will pay for it in total !
Whahoo....
Again, my sincere thanks to all who offered their expertise in figuring out my problem. I love this site!
Deke
07 TC Touring 52k
Before tearing into the rear AC unit I decided to go to the local dealer to see if they had a diagram of the whole unit with parts nomenclature so I would know what to expect. The parts guy has been there for 37 years and as soon as he heard me say I had a leak in the rear AC he said to me "there's a recall on that unit" ! About ten minutes later the parts were on order and he said he would call me next week when they get here. He claimed it's about a $700 job, but Chrysler will pay for it in total !
Whahoo....
Again, my sincere thanks to all who offered their expertise in figuring out my problem. I love this site!
Deke
07 TC Touring 52k
#40
Deke
07 TC Touring 51k