Chrysler Grand Voyager UK gearbox issues
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I've checked the fluid used and it is labelled as ATF plus, which Eurocarparts say is suitable for my vehicle. I cannot establish the difference between Their own brand ATF plus and ATF+4. Perhaps an oil change and filter change is worth a yo before going to the experts!
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From: Ash Vale
Eurocarparts have their "own brand" oils - Triple QX. I bought in local depot. You give them reg number and they tell you what you need. I have the receipt and I've checked the container. It is labelled ATF Plus but no sign of the 4! I've seen the Millers on EBay and several sellers offering the filter. I can't see a drain plug on the box so taking off the filter may help in draining all the oil. When I changed it before I sucked out too but looks like it's gets to drain and get torque converter emptied too.
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Does look like that the oil is the wrong one! It's so important with these autos to use the correct spec! If you look on the Millers(An other makes) you'll see a Chrysler number! Can't remember off the top of my head what it is. There are some clips on YouTube that show ways of getting all the fluid out without removing the sump! You can buy from the States a sump with a drain plug! But I think I might just might put one in myself.
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Eurocarparts have their "own brand" oils - Triple QX. I bought in local depot. You give them reg number and they tell you what you need. I have the receipt and I've checked the container. It is labelled ATF Plus but no sign of the 4! I've seen the Millers on EBay and several sellers offering the filter. I can't see a drain plug on the box so taking off the filter may help in draining all the oil. When I changed it before I sucked out too but looks like it's gets to drain and get torque converter emptied too.
- I've used the REG dBase and its $hite and unreliable
- europarts [trade] tried twice to sell me an undersized battery via the REG dBase
- ditto Halfords posted on this site via the REG dBase
- hundreds of
Best of luck
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TRIPLE QX ATF Plus Transmission Fluid is claimed by EuroParts to be for :
- manual transmission[s]
- semi auto transmission[s]
- auto transmission[s]
That gives a lot of confidence in their dBase, it will almost certainly waterproof schoolboys shoes till they fall apart a week later from chemical contamination. As stated in an earlier thread this industry dBase is about as accurate as a dentist doing extractions with a 'mash hammer' - it certainly removes the offending tooth but leaves a lot of other unwanted collateral damage. Look I've a lot of time for the convenience and pricing that is EuroParts over 40+ years but that dBase is used by the whole selling trade for convenience and when it returns a product that :
- claims to be the same as ATF-4 - or does it ?
- does not expressly state ATF-4
- with no tech-docs to check the ATF-4 equivalence spec
I really wouldn't want risk putting it where it could cost me more than the total value of the whole motor car. I really really wish Trevor Barnard the best and notwithstanding that the box has problems in the first and second place hope that his gearbox is rejuvenated by the use of the correct product. Many many have done just that - de facto come back from the dead with the proper oil. Still I'm left with the knowledge that the box has problems in the first place, if it was me and my money at stake I'd still invest in the ATF-4 and filter, and I'm a Yorkshire-man.
- manual transmission[s]
- semi auto transmission[s]
- auto transmission[s]
That gives a lot of confidence in their dBase, it will almost certainly waterproof schoolboys shoes till they fall apart a week later from chemical contamination. As stated in an earlier thread this industry dBase is about as accurate as a dentist doing extractions with a 'mash hammer' - it certainly removes the offending tooth but leaves a lot of other unwanted collateral damage. Look I've a lot of time for the convenience and pricing that is EuroParts over 40+ years but that dBase is used by the whole selling trade for convenience and when it returns a product that :
- claims to be the same as ATF-4 - or does it ?
- does not expressly state ATF-4
- with no tech-docs to check the ATF-4 equivalence spec
I really wouldn't want risk putting it where it could cost me more than the total value of the whole motor car. I really really wish Trevor Barnard the best and notwithstanding that the box has problems in the first and second place hope that his gearbox is rejuvenated by the use of the correct product. Many many have done just that - de facto come back from the dead with the proper oil. Still I'm left with the knowledge that the box has problems in the first place, if it was me and my money at stake I'd still invest in the ATF-4 and filter, and I'm a Yorkshire-man.
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The video is pretty good but it should mention a few more things. You probably saw the fluid come roaring out once the pan is dropped. You'll need a large catchbasin to catch the fluid. The little pan you use for changing engine oil is not going to be large enough. It's not a matter of volume, but the fact that it all comes at once and it comes out all around the perimeter of the trans pan.
Also, the capacity of the transmission is very much larger than the 4-5 quarts that will drain out the bottom. This method will not remove the fluid in the torque converter or the trans cooler or lines. For most purposes, it's good enough, but if you really need to get all the old stuff out, you'll need to get more aggressive. There are other methods discussed here on the forum.
The car needs to be flat on the ground to accurately check the fluid level. Don't bother checking the level while it's still up on the ramps.
It's very important to install the pan bolts to the correct torque. The pan is stamped metal and can warp if the bolts are not correctly torqued, which will result in leaks. The spec for the 41TE trans is 165 inch-lbs.
Also, the capacity of the transmission is very much larger than the 4-5 quarts that will drain out the bottom. This method will not remove the fluid in the torque converter or the trans cooler or lines. For most purposes, it's good enough, but if you really need to get all the old stuff out, you'll need to get more aggressive. There are other methods discussed here on the forum.
The car needs to be flat on the ground to accurately check the fluid level. Don't bother checking the level while it's still up on the ramps.
It's very important to install the pan bolts to the correct torque. The pan is stamped metal and can warp if the bolts are not correctly torqued, which will result in leaks. The spec for the 41TE trans is 165 inch-lbs.
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The americans have a machine that connects to the cooler lines and pumps ALL the old fluid out including the torque converter. There are big glass reservoirs for the fluid so you can see it, and the new is pumped in along with the old coming out. But they costalot. There must be some garage somewhere in Britain that has one of these...
Dcotter's dead-on about the fluid coming out with a rush and needing a big container, and make sure the fluid isn't hot when you do it as you are bound to get it all over your hands and arms -- possible bad burn here. The old autoboxes even had a warning on them about this -- "don't attempt to change fluid after high-speed driving".
Leedsman.
Dcotter's dead-on about the fluid coming out with a rush and needing a big container, and make sure the fluid isn't hot when you do it as you are bound to get it all over your hands and arms -- possible bad burn here. The old autoboxes even had a warning on them about this -- "don't attempt to change fluid after high-speed driving".
Leedsman.