hi scruffy

well Ive had further tests done today by a engine tune up specialist near me who carried out loads of different tests including a fuel pressure test he used various different items of diagnostic equipment and really went into it while i was there it took a long time and tests were through the guy knew his job anyway he came up with what he called a lazy lambda sensor its not switching like it should and is switching very slow. which i saw on his test machine

it should switch once a second but it isn't and confusing the ecu which puts everything out this is the best diagnosis Ive had its the only thing he could find everything else checked out fine.

on my engine the sensor is on the exhaust manifold and very easily reached from inside the bonnet the second lambda sensor is behind the cat and that checks out OK so i now know were the problem is

pete...................

 

hi all
UPDATE

my troublesome voyager has now gone ive sold it today for the same price i paid for it so you could say end of story

pete............................

 

Probably for the best - good luck trying to find another

 

Thanks scruffy ill try and find a newer shape one as ive heard they are a better car altogether wish me luck

pete.....................

 

Let me tell you why I chose a V reg 2.5TD

1. The engine is NOT made by Chrysler. It is an Italian marine engine made by VM Motori. So why is this so good

a. It does NOT have a cam belt or chain. It uses a gear driven cam so little or no maintenance.
b. It has hydraulic cam lifters again low maintenance
c. It sounds like a tractor but pulls like one too
d. It very fuel efficient 34 - 36 around town 39 - 44 on the open road.
e. Is indirect injection using a BOSCH pump so you can run it on veg oil
f. Is OHV rather than OHC so again less to go wrong
g. Everything on the car is easy to get to and easy to work on. Again like a tractor this is one simple car.

Now you should know that the engine in newer shape has effectively the same bottom end as it is made by the same company but has been given a 16V head and therefore has gained a cam belt. What's more it is CRD so running on veg oil is likely to blow seals and be very costly and with all this "advancement" the fuel consumption is NO better.

The new shape 2.9 diesel only comes as an auto and is a thirsty beast and the manual gearboxes in the new shape 2.5 are also made by Getrac and suffer the same synchro gear demise if the oil is not changed every 20K miles.

What's more buy a March 2001 and below and you pay the old road tax regime of £190 a year vs £245.

As for the petrol version, well if you have deep pockets and can afford the fuel then go for it.

So tell me again why the newer shape is a better car.

 

hi glowplug
i was told that by a guy who works on them all the time. because the old shape is made up from parts from different companies and the new shape is made entirely by Chrysler.

as a matter of fact theres two I'm thinking of looking at one is a s reg 2.5TD which has been owned by the same family since new and been regularly serviced and has full service history but this one has done a very high mileage 177,000. and looks mint

the other one is a 2.5TD on a T plate with 98.000 on the clock that also has FSH and is also in mint condition but this one is from a car dealer

what sounds the best one to you

pete.....................................

 

Dude, do I really need to answer that????????

Less mileage = less wear and tear BUT whichever you buy make DAMN sure the gearbox is good. Check for service history that states the gear oil has been changed regularly. Drive the car the change may be notchy but it should change without excessive force up and down between 1<-->2 and 2<-->3 3<-->4 Best check when the car is cold as this is when any problems will amplify due to the oil having settled.
Search through my old posts and you will find that I did a write up on the gearbox.

Also check where the clutch takes if it is slap bang on the floor or close to walk away. master/slave cylinders are big wear items on these and will cost +-£300 + labour to fix.

 

Thanks Glowplug

Ill bear all that in mind i know the gearbox is one of the weak points of these cars and if the clutch is at the bottom of the travel i would allways walk away thats the same for any car.

There,s one thing i need to ask is you surly just can,t put in veggie oil without introducing it slowly to the engine surely you have to do some sort of mix first before pure veggie oil?

Pete...........................

 

Personally I have never used veg, just done a lot of research. I used to own a Toyota Previa and belonged to a number of Toyota forums. The majority of the guys on those forums were buying the imported diesel Previa, known as an Estima and they were using veg extensively. Those cars use the same bosch pump and IDI setup as the Voyager so what holds true for those should hold true for these.

Some guys were running neat veg but the hydrostatic pressure is higher than that of diesel and as such the seals in the pump were blowing. Others would thin it with either petrol, white spirit or methanol. There are plenty of guides on the internet juts do some research.

I get all my fuel company paid and only pay the tax on what I can't claim as business so for me there is no current incentive to fiddle with veg.

 

Hi guys

After some discussions with the wife about getting another voyager after all the problems i had with the last one she feels they are all the the same i said it was just a bad one so i compromised and i now own a 2001 1.8 Citreon picassio thanks all you guys for your help with my voyager i may need you agian sometime in the future if i ever get another one

pete.................................